I am also going to share part of the discussion on discord here, since this is a more permanent place for discussion.
Swaggelwander | Vestige.fi — Yesterday at 10:50 PM
Am I reading this right (Daniel Oon | eaudoon.algo (@EauDoon): "@FolksFinance Lending, consistently has users borrowing from the ALGO Lending pool over the past 15+ days. We observed ALGO APY lending rate spike to over 10% APY. AF stepped in to provide more ALGO into Folks Lending on three occasions, 10m ALGOs per tranche totaling 30m ALGOs." | nitter); they are supplying 30mA to folks which is worth 6m$, and folks in total has 9.3m+500k+200k+150k TVL in their lending platform? This means that the foundation is propping up about 60% of folks TVL (outside liquid governance)?
60% of a protocols TVL coming from the foundation seems very unhealthy
Swaggelwander | Vestige.fi — Yesterday at 10:58 PM
And at the same time Adri is telling me that they don’t want to incentivize governance-only apps, see 🏛│governance, and this liquidity is only being used for selling galgo into algo to gain more governance rewards, and to be able to “4x leverage their commits”. It does not feel like a level playing field. It does not feel very healthy at all. (edited)
But folks currently has 40m$ in liquid governance, and without the foundation help only 3m$ in their regular lending market. To me that seems like a governance only app.
Adri — Today at 9:15 AM
I said that “I, Adri, find it a slippery slope for anyone to design their products based on governance rewards”. My opinion does not prevent projects from doing what they choose to (this is web3 after all) and I added your ARC suggestion to our team’s to-do list to document the requirements as you requested. I understand that you are frustrated, but these two things are unrelated IMO.
Swaggelwander | Vestige.fi — Today at 9:36 AM
But it’s not web3, I can’t just decide that you will include the product I am building in liquid governance, I can’t decide that my LP tokens or my farm will be permissable, there is a governance committee that does that you’re head of. So when you say that it’s a slipperly slope that signals to builders that your product might not be deemed worthy, since this isn’t controlled by smartcontract and rather by a centralized group of people who have opinions. And then another part of the foundation is throwing money towards project who are just existing because of playing governance rewards.
As a builder this is really frightening, I am investing time, money and a lot of effort into building cool DeFi things on this chain, but there is this huge looming hand of “I hope that the foundation will understand what I’m doing so that I too get liquidity, governance inclusion, etc”. This is not fun, and this is a huge stress.There is a risk that outside people who are thinking about building things on this chain sees the centralized actions and backroom deals like this and go somewhere else, because building into an environment where a few people decide your fate is an enormous risk.
Especially when Benedetto from Folks is suddenly speaking on the behalf of the foundation, saying that they went through a months-long process (behind closed doors) to get to here. Do I have to play politician just to have a chance of maybe getting a 150% TVL boost from the foundation? Folks Finance is a decentralized protocol, if AF wants to add liquidity they should just do it, it shouldn’t be up to Benedetto to lobby for it. At the end of the day TVL is a huge metric in web3, having a foundation act like a central bank which provides liquidity to people they like is awful.
And as a sidenote, algofi has a 58.5% borrow APR for algo as we speak, why is AF not depositing ALGO towards that right now? It’s decentralized so it can be done without any backroom deals, you just do it.
The optics of this is awful in every sense of web3. AF is positioning itself as a central bank that provides liquidity to protocols it deems worthy, which is a huge risk for builders. Just imagine the headline “Algorand Foundation supplies 60% of TVL to their second largest lending platform to lower insane borrow fees”. This is the opposite of decentralized, it is the opposite of web3. This will be my last post on the matter, but I really hope you guys listen. I am a very active builder having multiple dApps on chain, and I am currently building a lot more. I have 1000 messages in this discord, and it feels like my voice is not being heard at all.
Oh and I forgot to link to where Benedetto spoke, just to remove any ambiguity here it is: Benedetto (@BenedettoBio): "We went trough a long process (months) before we had approved the liquidity provision. The AF is open to provide liquidity and support to everyone as soon as you demonstrate reasons and value. The same goes not only for liquidity provisions but all their types of support. In the end, supporting gALGO cannot be compared to any other projects in the ecosystem. As gALGO has been designed with the purpose of increasing utility of governance for everyone. PS. Folks distributes the governance revenue with all the partners. I am not aware if other projects do something similar so far." | nitter (edited)